Wow, how can they do something that is just so wrong?

The meat comes from an animal which was killed for you and if you don't eat the meat, its death was all for naught. You can't tell me that killing an unborn child is bad, but killing a living animal and then not using it for what it was killed for is not.

Killing because the life isn't how you wanted it is so wrong. Humans are known to discriminate against people with differences, so I wonder if that's where this is coming from. Those saying that babies with down's syndrome should be aborted, do you believe they are alive?

What do kebabs have to do with an unborn baby?

It was actually a really good metaphor, don't disregard it just because of its obscurity.

Now this is getting into vegetarianism debate. There's a difference between HUMAN life and an ANIMAL'S life. It would have been a good metaphor, if not for the fact that amount of weight/importance that the baby and the kebab has is TOO GREAT to be effective.

Those of you who support the kebab analogy, do you believe that the fetus is alive?

I'm in psychology class right now and we're learning A LOT about unborn babies and fetus'. Apparently the fetus is more alive than we think it is, it can hear, distinguish it's mother's voice from another, and even have it's heart rate lowered when a familiar story is read to it. Of course it is alive, but that doesn't change whether or not you can kill it or not. Of course there is a point where you can't go back and that is enforced by law but I believe if you want an abortion you should be able to get one, and if you don't want one with down syndrome you can kill it too. It's not really ethical or nice but it's your choice.

It isn't ethical, but can you strangle an infant 3 months old if you're tired of rearing it? It's not really ethical or nice but it's your choice? The problem lies in that killed a born baby is often agreed upon to be bad, and illegal. However, people do not agree if killing an unborn baby is just as bad. Some agree they aren't really living before 4 months, others bring up points like you, others bring in spiritual arguments to when the baby is alive, etc, but it's a definition hard to grasp. If you look at it technically, cells are alive too, so the sperm and the egg~~ well then again you don't go to jail for a cut so, again, difficult question. I don't see it as a question of mainly ethics or mother's rights, but as a definition of life thing, whether they see fetuses as life.

I believe that that the egg and sperm aren't humans. Once they are together though, they form the beginning of a human

How could that have been offensive. I don't see how you found that post to be so great then. I'm not attacking you at all, don't get offended from nothing.


Off topic, but...

Uh... no there isn't. What, do you think humans are in their own kingdom? We're animals as well, our life is equal to others.

You keep saying this stuff about how life is life, but when it comes to other animals suddenly their lives don't matter?

Off topic here too, but comparatively? No, but it stems from a religious point of view, so I'd rather not answer. I do believe a HUMAN life is more important than that of an animal. But this becomes vegetarianism argument/issue, and I've had enough of that with a certain friend at school. Besides, insects are considered to be in the animal kingdom too, but hey, swatting that mosquitto on your arm is as bad as squashing an infant!

And I think she was offended as she may have taken it that you think she's someone brainless following something blindly, without any support

Wouldn't you rather delete your char and reroll if its missing 3/4 of it's sp?

I just tried like 50 times in this comment box to try to say the same thing, but I just can't... phrase it, so I'm just not gonna say anything. But I do know why killing that mosquito is different from killing the infant.

Also, just so you know, I'm not into vegetarianism. Hell, any chance I get, I'll eat meat. I honestly find it unnatural to not eat meat, humans are meant to eat meat, and it's completely natural to eat other animals.

Double Standards, no use trying to talk about it further it seems.

For anyone who suggests adoption: In Italy, a mother was pregnant with twins, one was diagnosed with Down-syndrome. She chose not to abort because of the non-Down-syndrome child and to put the Down-syndrome child up for adoption. Well, guess what, the media reported about it which caused a wave of anger in the entire country. In the end, they took the child because their village put them under pressure and even harassed them. Clearly adoption is the best solution, right?

That's one example, I don't think that could happen twice. And it's certainly not a reason not to put it up for adoption. But you have to ask yourself, if you don't want to raise a child with down syndrome, will anyone? If you're adopting and you look at all of the kids' profiles is someone actually going to pick the one with down syndrome?

Now I'm confused, what's the double standard referring to?

Also there probably are people who are driven by either pity, morals, etc to adopt people with Down Syndromn, but probably not too many

Read the first post. There are people out their who love to raise kids with disabilities like down's syndrome.

Most parents will want a baby that is as normal as possible. However, there are those out there that find it very rewarding working with kids with disabilities and difficulties.

If I were to be a parent, I could NEVER live with the fact that I abandoned a disabled child. What kind of shitty parent would I have been for doing this, and what would my child have thought of me? What will that do to my child's self esteem? What will their future parents think of me for abandoning such a child? Adoption might be a choice, but I will always consider that much worse than abortion.

Almost. Like what I said earlier, a parent would want the best out of their kids, and down syndrome will inevitably get in the way of that, more than other disabilities.

However, what could be said in defense of the existence of people with Down syndrome? Just the health risks alone seems bad enough.

inb4 diversity

Then, what is a life that's worth living? I doubt the existence of a regular person is already hard to logically justify since the meaning of life is a very tricky question to answer.

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people who are too slow to grasp their minds around the idea of a "good life" and other philosophical ideas. Wouldn't you think that some people with Down's are possibly too stupid to be motivated to kill themselves?

EDIT: Not to mention some people kill themselves over seemingly little things.

Arguably? Aside from trauma victims/vegetables, do you know anyone whose IQ is around 50? An IQ of 70 is already considered retarded fyi.

Also, we might as well define "normal" luls.

Can I use this in my sig?